But he did win a trophy (a major trophy) in 2012. He was also in the CL final in 2013. He was also runner-up in the Bundesliga in 2013 and 2014. He was also in the cup final in 2014 and 2015. And he has (almost, but likely) managed to get Liverpool into the CL for two consecutive seasons out of the 3 years he has been at the helm. Prior to that, Liverpool had only managed CL qualification once since 2009 (6 years) and that was the year they had Suarez and almost became champions. And he is still with a chance (not the worst chance) of winning another major trophy this year.
So since 2012 Wenger has won 3 FA Cups and came second to Leicester once⌠And to win 2 of those 3 prestigious FA Cups he battled with grands like Wigan and Aston Villa. He has also managed to fall out of his only real source of success - 4th spot.
I would say that one title, 2 runner-ups, 2 cup finals and one CL final while battling an European giant like Bayern Munich is not a bad return for his time at Dortmund. He has also obviously taken Liverpool on an upward curve and results really show that no matter what you may think.
I remember being constantly told football is about trophies, No one will remember top four finishes, canât put a price on a winning Wembley day out etc. Ultimately trophies have to be the end result
I wouldnât trade the 3 FA cups in 4 years for anything Klopp has done at Liverpool. I love silverware and winning.
Arsenal can easily bounce back in the league with a competent manager
I can say the same thing about winning the FA Cup when no club of stature really cares about that competition and its like eating crumbs from a lunch table, everyone is focused on the real trophies which is the only reason Wenger managed to win what he won.
I agree.
In recent seasons there has been a distinct lack of interest, not just by the big clubs either, in the FA Cup.
Iâve seen half empty stadiums in FA Cup matches where, in a PL game, the stadium would be full, and the League Cup is virtually most clubs reserve sides until the later rounds.
I can remember theses cups being a big deal, but that certainly seems to have changed among clubs and supporters.
Not always, but I have seen big clubs playing lower division clubs, where you would expect the lower club to fill out the stadium, even if only to see some of the worldâs best players, yet there are loads of empty seats.
It happens a lot with Man City and Chelsea, which probably tells you more about their pulling power than anything else.
It could be because the big clubs generally rest their big name players, and opposition supporters know this, and arenât that bothered about seeing a top PL club fielding their reserve side.
Although I doubt Nottingham Forest were too worried about us bringing a weakened team.
Yeah I take your point in terms of some matches, But the FA Cup still has a big pull for a lot of fans. Look at Cardiffâs attendances for example â which one stands out? The Man City FA Cup match. Sold out.
And if Wenger had his way we would have rejected that offer and Ox wouldâve stayed here on ÂŁ180k a week, which I guess means he values him more than the forty million sterling Klopp does, which makes him worse.