I see where you are coming from and It is definitely a possible scenario.
But I saw some turnout figures, and Trump won with 2m less people voting for him than Romney in 2012.
But Hillary lost with 6.5m people less voting for her than Obama in 2012.
Democrats didn’t show up to vote for what was a very unappealing candidate. In fact, some of their previously ironclad Democrat voting post industrial ‘rust belt’ states voted for Trump because they felt he would look out for them more than Clinton would (where have we heard that before).
People will say ‘it’s easy to say that with hindsight’ but many people knew this was the case back when the primaries were happening. When Clinton lost Michigan for example to Sanders, alarm bells should have been ringing even a tiny bit.
They got complacent thinking they could field a monkey and they would beat Trump. So they field a candidate with unbelievable amount of baggage and that most of the country detests, because it was ‘her turn’.
Fair play to Trump, he has managed to crush the Bush AND Clinton political dynasties all in one go. Everyone thought the electionwas going to be between them and he fucked them all up. A Bush/Clinton will be laughed out the room now if they say they are going to run for President or even other big political positions and thank fuck for that.
Lovely, I will have to read multiple times to grasp it all but my understanding is much better than before i started reading your post.
Really appreciate the effort.
Cool rebuttal, but i’d like to know how Sanders beats Trump then?
Also since Trump’s victory it’s just beyond awkward listening to Clinton talking nicely to Trump, Trump talking nicely about Clinton, Obama about Trump, Trump about Obama etc.
All the abuse and mockery went so far that it’s now created this situation of incredulity and disbelief when you have people shaking hands who despite each other to that degree.
Now Trump has a major problem in having to satisfy his base who want Clinton locked up (can’t happen) and a wall built across the border (won’t happen), whilst coming back somehow towards the centre.
There’s never been a more tribalist election by all accounts and whilst Trump has seized on the perfect path to the Presidency, he’s on a hiding to nothing in terms of being able to heal the rifts as the country’s leader.
I don’t think Trump can be expected to heal rifts, just as no one is likely to achieve that in the UK either. Society is terribly polarized these days, with the centre splitting off into clearer left / right delineations. I also don’t think he needs to deliver on all that much either - Brexit was based on a mountain of ridiculous lies, but that hasn’t damaged the desire for Brexit, even when people can see how fallacious it all was, they are still committed to the basic premise, and so it I think if Trump modifies on certain points, such as banning Muslims and building a wall, but delivers on others, such as repealing healthcare, environmental treaties, banning transgender bathrooms etc. it will be seen as an acceptable work in progress.
Hopefully he can find some kind of peace with Russia and back Assad to end the stupidity in Syria, and then we might be able to do something about Isis without the risk of world war 3. If he pulls American backing for the likes of Saudi as well that would be great. So long as he doesn’t give Russia a free hand for adventurism then we might be quite optimistic about his foreign policy. At the very least I think its going to be interesting.
I do agree with some of of this although I’m not sure May can be held accountable for the racism towards immigrants in this country. I can’t think of any incidence of her fanning the flames of racism. That’s down to our right wing media and likes of Farage.
She’s certainly to the left of Cameron and is levelling off some cuts that he would of implemented.
Also her grammar school idea, I’m a fan of, I think it gives opportunity to children in poorer cities with shitty school systems. Labour are against grammar schools but all of them bar Corbyn have sent their kids to private schools or moved to areas where there are elite schools. So they’re aloud to send their kids to great schools but the plebs have no choice. Socialism when it suits them. Does Corbyn have any policies to stop London schools getting 4-5 times what Northern schools get btw? Because if he does I haven’t heard them.
Generally I believe May whether you agree with her politics or not is a principled lady. Trump has gone out of his way to to screw over anyone he can do for the main part. He’s screwed over countless small businesses who’ve worked for him by not paying them for work/goods provided making them go bankrupt. He’s asked black employees be removed from his presence and wouldn’t rent to black people either,. He put up a newspaper add calling for 5 black men who were proven innocent of rape to be strung up in the 80s.
Now he has the most powerful position in the world let’s hope he’s content with being lazy and getting richer. Although getting rich could entail wars. If he rips up the Iran deal that could be a pre-emptive war right there. Government spending will be massively eroded on every front. Let’s not be surprised if America isn’t ran into the ground in order to make Trump’s family richer.
Oh and obviously he’s done a pre-election deal with Putin. Incredible that the emails got the headlines over that.
I don’t think the people wanted change as such. Most of Trump’s electerate won’t have voted Democrat before. He got less votes than the last 4 Republican candidates. Hillary got 7 million less votes than Obama.
It boils down to 1 party got it’s base out, the other didn’t. If 70% or 100% of the electerate vote, Hillary wins big. But she didn’t make people want to vote for her. There wasn’t a clear concise message.
Hillary also foolishly chased the landslide. Put money into red states and didn’t even campaign in many rustbelt states that she went on to lose. She still won more votes overall despite her fuck ups.
I think May’s refusal to take child refugees, against our own international obligations, functions as a case in point, and her language at the Conservative party conference was definitely fanning flames; it was certainly playing the race card for political advantage. I probably would also not discriminate between Trump abusing his workforce directly and May or the Conservatives in general screwing people on a grand scale - take all the punitive legislation defeated in the house of lords from a few days ago to last year; that was some pretty nasty stuff they (her) were trying to push through.
I also consider her grammar school policy an attempt to find a flagship policy where she lacked one, probably also playing to her right-winger backbenchers, so I wouldn’t consider her all that principled, pretty much everything she is doing right now is counter to her previous centre ground positioning; she’s being hugely opportunistic and false.
As for Trump running the US into the ground for personal gain, well I wouldn’t be surprised if he did, he’s basically a gangster. As previously stated, my comparison between May and Trump is meant as a general one to highlight the hypocrisy of much of the west in pillorying Trump despite, often, being totally on board with his kind of outlook. The difference, i.e. what people find so offensive, is him as a man, there’s a certain kind of snobbery in that. Don’t get me wrong though, I would have voted for Clinton.
There’s not just one reason why Trump won tbh. That all has something to do with it, but a lot of people could see this coming because historically it’s very rare that one party continues to win after two terms.
It’s emerging now pretty much that American white women won this election for Trump, not white men that he dominated in anyways.
Only a very small majority (53%) of college degree white women voted Clinton, much lower than expected and this probably did the damage. Ultimately the backlash to ‘grab them by the pussies’ just never materialised.
This is my fault. At the end of Bush’s presidency I said, out loud “Well we survived Bush, it can’t get any worse than that!”. I apologize to my fellow American’s and the rest of the world for jinxing us.
What’s worrying is that two nutters, Trump and Putin, are running two of the biggest countries, America and Russia, and countries like North Korea and others are also being run by idiots.
So anyone with similar ambitions, like Farage or any other politician, or even reality stars, will have a go as well.
All you need is a population who are ignorant, greedy and stupid, and bingo, your the leader of a leading European country.
To prove this point, I bet most people would recognise Farage, when shown a picture of him, and he’s not even an elected MP.
But I bet the same people couldn’t name the Chancellor, the Home Secretary, the leader of the Liberal Party or even the leader of the Labour Party.
This is the age of celebrity, and it wouldn’t take much for the same thing that happened there, to happen here.
There were two good things about obamacare. And those are the two things he says he wants to keep. It was always a sad thing for me to bash obamacare because it is wonderful for people with preexisting conditions to get the care they need, insurance companies are shit heads for denying them in the first place. However yeah it’s kinda harming the country in the process. Healthcare has to be fixed from the ground up though, it costs entirely too much for any type of doctor visit out here.
