But that’s not what he said. He said the “consensus” was that Arteta simply wasn’t good enough. There were some of the typical bullshitters that were saying that, but far, far from a consensus.
Arteta’s best season was 12-13, so I don’t think that’s true. As @Calum referred statsbomb and the stats community were basically picking him as the best midfielder in the league that season, and one of the best 6s in the world.
Arteta was never very good that’s why he spent the majority of his career playing for Everton and got signed by Arsenal in the same window we bought a whole heap of shit because we sold good players and got mauled 8-2 by Manchester United.
He was a player who was, at his very best, a good player and nothing more. Some of the shit you’re spewing is typical of your posting style to be honest. You can’t accuse me of revisionism because I’m telling you Arteta needed replacing when he played for us and that never changed throughout his entire tenure here.
Of course I can, the statement you made was revisionist history, pure and simple. You yourself I am not accusing of revisionism, that was actually you doing that to me, when the statement you’ve just made above ^ applies perfectly to me, that is, it’s impossible for you to accuse me of revisionism when my stance was exactly the same now as it is then, and I was quite outspoken about it as I am now, and have been always.
It doesn’t matter, your statement was that “the general consensus” was that he wasn’t good enough, that’s revisionism. Your stance doesn’t come into the question, it’s the statement you were trying to use to back up your stance that we’re talking about, and which I pointed out as ironic when you yourself were accusing others of revisionism.
No, that’s a strawman. I haven’t said he was a legendary number 6 for Arsenal-- saying he was, for a very short period of time, at the level of Gilberto and Petit is quite a different statement–and I didn’t say he was among Europe’s elite, though from 2012-first half of 2013/14 he probably was, or at least very close to being so.
What’s obviously false are basically all your comments here re: Arteta, but you are too stubborn and/or worked up by not getting Allegri to back down from them.
I’m not going to bother searching through the thread, but when the tiniest whisper of the rumour first appear I remember you saying @AbouCuellar that part of you thought it would probably be a bad idea but a bigger part of you were totally keen on the romance of the notion that Arteta would come in as a basque Wengerite and fellow Spaniard to come in and takeover from where Wenger left off.
You have some pretty clear biases in regards to this appointment (him being Spanish, and a Wenger supporter/disciple) and I think you’re just doubling down on all of this revisionism about him being one of our best ever midfielders lol
Bollocks, I’ve had this discussion with people who strangely underrate him a million times before, and I’ve also been hyping him as a managerial candidate for a long, long time (I was aggrieved when he went to City).
The Basque stuff is obvious jokes…
The Wengerite thing I have no idea where you’re getting from. If I thought he were a Wengerite in the least I would be strongly against his appointment. I disagree strongly with anyone who suggests that Arteta is in any way a Wenger “disciple”, I think all available evidence would suggest he’s much more a Pep disciple.
The comment you were referring to is that I said I can understand people having doubts about Arteta, and it’s hard for me to argue against them given the dearth of objective evidence to use.
He’s always been the one I wanted, after the unlikely options like Tuchel and Pochettino. You can find a post where I basically listed my options for manager and he was top of the list (maybe tied with Naggelsman?).
Finally, the Spanish stuff has nothing to do with it. It’s no use defending myself because people will come to lazy conclusions like this one regardless but I really don’t have a spanish bias, if anything it’s the opposite. I do like the Basques though, hardy, leathery-skinned people them.
I always rated Arteta at Arsenal for what it’s worth, and actually think he was a bit misused in our formation by Wenger.
I just don’t understand why your defending the appointment so hard. I’m excited by the idea of him, and wouldn’t be upset about it or anything, but I can’t see how you can defend appointing a guy who’s never managed a game in his life to one of the biggest clubs in Europe that is currently going through a massive restructure and stands on the brink of one of it’s biggest “make or break” moments in its history.
The opportunity cost of Arteta is huge. If we appoint him and he’s massively out of his depth, we miss out on the prime years of Ozil, Mkhi, and Aubameyang and could lose even more influence and power and money if we fall any deeper down the table.
We’ve more or less been able to survive these two seasons out of the Top 4 based on Wenger’s name and presence as well as our cash reserves but if we sign a high risk, no experience young manager who fucks it up it can cost us a shit ton not only in terms of capital but also reputation and the way other managers and players will look at our board and how the club is run and question how serious we are as a club.
I like Arteta, I think he’ll surprise people, but fuck me if this isn’t a crazy Hail Mary move.