Mesut Özil (10)


#3881

Its like I quite dislike Jose Mourinho but if I was in position where I have to be polite to him & pose for a pic, I would because that’s the decent thing to do.

Did Ozil travel on his own accord to meet him? Was he invited? What was the setup?


#3882

Turkish sports stars who have dared to criticise Erdogan, such as former international Hakan Sukur or NBA player Enes Kanter, have faced severe repercussions for themselves and their families, which could explain Ozil’s inability to distance himself from Erdogan.

I thought this was an interesting point, one I hadn’t considered and haven’t seen anyone touch on in this thread. I wonder if any of it comes down to a bit of fear for what would happen if he was seen to disrespect Erdogan.

If that was a concern I’m sure some people would see that as cowardice, that he should stand up for what is right. I’d like to think I’d be able to do that, but if I felt that my actions might jeopardise the safety or status of my family in the country where they live, I’m not sure if I’d feel that me standing up for my principles is brave or instead perhaps essentially selfish when I live abroad and won’t be hurt or face the consequences for my actions, but my family might.

I’m uneasy about the meeting with Erdogan, I don’t really buy the argument that he wasn’t in anyway legitimising him by meeting him and giving him a shirt with his name on, and I absolutely don’t buy this “I’m respecting the highest office of the country, not the person argument” - because personally I don’t respect the office inherently, I respect (or don’t) the person actually holding the office, and without any fears for my safety if I didn’t show respect, I wouldn’t meet someone who flagrantly disregards the core principles of democracy like that. @sevchenko this puts me in mind of our brief discussion about people respecting the office of Prime Minister.

@Gunnerpr you can feel how you want to but I do think there is a slight difference between just having a photo taken and having a photo taken in which you’re giving them a shirt with your name on it. When you do that it becomes much harder to act like you aren’t endorsing them in the slightest, much harder to act like you aren’t lending them the legitimacy of your name and fame when you are quite literally giving them a symbol that represents you and your fame.

I find the photo and shirt with Erdogan thing quite tough to get my head around tbh


#3883

Wow



#3884

Bitter


#3885

Ozil is one of the nicest footballer around.
It’s sad that deserving cunts like Diego Costa are not subjected to such vitrol.


#3886

The tax dodger has gone all in. :eyes:

Fun fact: Hoeness went to the same prison Adolf Hitler wrote Mein Kampf in.


#3887

They met in London in a hotel. IIRC the meeting was set up between both side’s representatives.

Initial media reaction isn’t going light on Özil and the focus seems to be a lot on how he didn’t distance himself from Erdogan and his politics. Most of the attention is on him more than on how he was treated, with Bild being by far the absolute worst of them all.


#3888

Sounds like he made the right decision then.

Lol at Hoeness comments. Tax dogder moralising.

Hope Kovac proper sinks Bayern next season just to show him as the failure this dinosaur is.

Anyhoo


#3889

Wow. Seriously fuck Germany. They have really disrespected Ozil in all of this and shamed him. The abuse recieved by politicians is truly disgusting and has made Ozil’s position untanable.

They are so butt hurt after going out of the group stages it’s unreal. So glad he’s told them some home truths and to basically fuck off. Fuck them - arrogant nation.


#3890

This is the first time I’ve seen this said and not been sure if it’s an intentional @Luca_from_Italy reference :laughing:


#3891

Fucking Mbappe endorsing the killing of journalists the fucking cunt


#3892

Not really comparing like for like though, if we’re honest.


#3893

Tbh Ozil was idiotic for that picture.

It was not a smart move.

But the point is, it doesn’t excuse the racism. No idea Grindel was like that as an MP.

Ozil proper outed him as a xenophobic prick. And check Hoeness’s obtuse comments, it really says it all.


#3894

He’s got some co-hoeness to come out with a statement like that


#3895

Shut tax dodger. It confirms there is a really big hate towards him in Germany.


#3896

The picture was so politically driven. I do feel like Ozil could have acknowlegded that. The picture of Gundogan, Tosun and Ozil was posted on 13 May on his instagram. Turkish elections were on 24 june. Whilst the racist remarks of goatfucker are crossing a line, the sentiments of which they come from regarding the picture are understandable in my opinion. Two weeks before the World Cup one of your stars is being used for political gain of Erdogan. I can see why that doesn’t fit well with people.


#3897

The issue was never about the photo. It was about Ozil’s opinion of Erdogan and his policies. And if there is one country that knows about where politics like that lead, it’s Germany.

Personally, if I knew that Ozil did support Erdogan, I wouldn’t want him playing for us either.


#3898

Well. Now you know. He does. So you don’t want him to play for us anymore?


#3899

We don’t know. Unless you’re suggesting his silence is tacit approval for those policies? You may be right, but I’ll wait until I know for sure.


#3900

You think he only went on to take that picture not to hurt his brand in Turkey and was forced because of financial reasons or something like that?